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I'm sure your parents' generation would ask why you were so negative. They vanquished Hitler and saved the world. So what's there to complain about?

It's that these damn kids just don't understand everything I had to struggle for. Or maybe, just maybe the older generations have forgotten what it's like being handed a world with unsolved problems.

We are trying to fix things that your generation gave us. Things like an increasingly warming planet, awful race relations, a failed and unjust war on drugs, lack of LGBT rights, and a huge aging entitled population who feel it's my responsibility to pay for their medical expenses. I'm sure my children's generation is going to deal with the issues we haven't solved and will (rightfully) be pissed at us about it.

But on the flip side of that coin, my life is easier than almost any other human's in the history of this planet. I live the life of a king from 80 years ago. I have the sum of human knowledge in my pocket. I can communicate with people across the globe for like no money. I have access to art and information and entertainment that my parents could only dream of. It's important to keep perspective on what's really going on.



Um, no. That was never really a complaint of our parents to my generation. Note, I wasn't talking about a recognition of struggle. I never said we had to struggle and, IMO, we didn't really.

What I meant was things like your statement "awful race relations". In the USA at least, race relations are HUGELY better today than when I was a kid. The improvement is astounding really given that most people from back then are still alive today. Also, LGBT rights are stronger and better recognized today than in the past.

Finally, I'm not pissed about anything related to what I wrote. More simply mystified.


It's all in the economics. Medicine has gotten better, equality has gotten better, technology has gotten way better.

But the core of the average American's existence has gotten worse. The core is economic - affordability of housing, affordability of raising children, affordability of health care and education - all of which are considerably worse today than they were decades ago.

The young of today are pissed because the odds are ludicrously stacked against them when it comes to the basics.

Sure, smartphones are $100 in a prepaid box and can get you any fact in the world at the touch of your fingertips. That's a pretty shitty replacement for, say, owning your own home, or being able to afford to send your kids to college. Hell, many of the young today can't even find stable employment, much less good enough employment to allow them to pursue future goals. Entire classes of labor are disappearing with nothing to take their place.

So yeah, we've landed robots are Mars, we know a lot more about most diseases, and we have technology that would seem like utter magic to people in the 50s. But all of that is very cold comfort to today's youth, who would give up all of that if it meant a decent income and a real shot at owning their own future.


That's a pretty shitty replacement for, say, owning your own home, or being able to afford to send your kids to college.

But owning a home is easier now than ever before, not harder. It's up about 10% since the 60s: http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab14.xls

College attendance is up too (you need to combine this data with population stats): http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98

If it's harder to attain these things, how are more people doing it?


> "If it's harder to attain these things, how are more people doing it?"

By going further and further into debt.

How quickly do we forget? The crisis of 2008 wiped out millions of people who were mortgaged up to their eyeballs just so they can own a home. Real wages have been stagnant for years (and regressing in many parts of the country) while home prices continue rising. People are leveraging themselves to extreme (and unwise) levels just to afford the same house their parents comfortably bought with a single middle-class income.

The average student's debt load at graduation has also increased precipitously over the last few decades[1].

Economics and debt is at the root of these frustrations. The affordability of people's futures has decreased dramatically, a trend that was masked and softened by irresponsible borrowing and lending. But now that ride has come to a stop and we're faced with the reality that, for the majority of America, even people with upper-middle class incomes, the lifestyle of their middle-class parents seem downright unattainable..

[1] http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/student-debt-load-dee...


> "People are leveraging themselves to extreme (and unwise) levels just to afford the same house their parents comfortably bought with a single middle-class income."

The "same" house? Hardly. People are leveraging themselves to afford bigger houses than their parents had. According to the National Association of Home Builders [0], average new house size was 1400 sq ft in 1970 and 2700 sq ft in 2009. You can find similar data from the census bureau's American Housing Survey [1]. For example, only 16% of total residences in 1970 had 2 or more bathrooms; in 2011 about 50% of residences had 2+ bathrooms.

I actually bought the same house as my parents [2]. Adjusting for inflation, it was essentially the same price in 2012 as it was in 1975 (within 2%, both as compared with CPI and comparing my dad's programmer salary at BigCo1 in 1975 to my wife's programmer salary at BigCo2 in 2009.)

[0] http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/us-home-size.html

[1] http://www.census.gov/housing/ahs/

[2] We recently found a fully wheelchair-accessible condo for my parents. We bought their house for market value; they used the proceeds to buy the condo. While the house has aged 4 decades since they bought it, it's got a brand new kitchen and a bunch of other recent upgrades, so on the whole it's pretty comparable.


What I suspect is true is that each generation thinks the next is woefully lacking in perspective and is guilty of near complete ignorance about the decades that immediately preceded them. Or maybe that's just what I think while reading this thread.

Each generation is convinced they discovered the world and its problems. Same as it ever was. They'll grow out of it, like we all did before them.




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