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It's crazy how DIY HRT and puberty blockers are now necessary to prevent trans kids from being mutilated by going through the wound puberty, then having to pay tens of thousands of dollars for reconstructive surgeries to fix maybe a fifth the damage.


Going through puberty isn't damage or mutilation, it's the process of development through which a child matures to an adult.


If you, as you are, were forced to go through puberty of the opposite sex as a child, would you have been ok with that? You could get into the trolley paradox of action vs inaction doing harm but really this is the same thing: do you force a person to go through the wrong puberty. The correct puberty isn’t damaging, the wrong one is.

As a cis man, I sure am happy nobody forced me to go through a female puberty.


You are asking a question of science fiction.

It is impossible for anyone to undergo the puberty of the opposite sex because, obviously, they are not of that sex.

As you are male, there is no method by which you could have gone through female puberty. So your hypothetical of this being forced upon you is nonsense.


Ever had depression? Ever tried explaining it to somebody but they brush you off?

One man's "Depression" is another man's "normal brain function; life just gets hard sometimes and that's natural." Explaining to the latter person how dehabilitating the experience is doesn't matter because one person cares about subjective inner experience and the other cares about mechanistic physiology.

Similarly, one person's puberty can be extremely traumatic. People who aren't trans wouldn't understand.


In that case I fully encourage you to try HRT for the opposite sex. You fully believe it will have no effect on you so please prove that point.


It would have an effect, but that effect is not the puberty of the opposite sex. This would be an impossible outcome.

You are male. If you took estrogen - either now, or as a child - you would not begin to menstruate, you would not experience changes to the vaginal surface, you would not start to ovulate, and so on. Female puberty is a developmental process that only applies to those who are female.


This is one of those moments where the person you are talking to says something like “I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.” I am sure it happens a lot.


Always interesting to see when discussions end in an ad hominem.

I guess it is very hard to refute 4th grade biology.


There's no reason to have a conversation with someone who isn't arguing in good faith. Why should I, it anyone, give the time of day to a 24 hour old obvious troll account?


I wasn't going to humor a 24 hour old throwaway, but it seems HN wants to believe you over someone with actual experience; shocking I know.

What would you call it if your parents denied you healthcare as a child, leading to permanent disfigurement? I call it mutilation.

It used to be common to get serious infections at a young age. But today if your parents refused to provide you healthcare (vaccinations, in this case), and you caught polio which lead to osteoporosis preventing you from ever walking normally again; would you also say that wasn't damage or mutilation? I mean, it was the natural process of development through which a child matures, at least until we developed a vaccine.

It used to be there wasn't much we could do for trans people, just like polio. But now we have medications that can prevent the suffering the conditions lead to, and not using them is evil.


You are wrong and hiding behind a throw away account you made 9 hours ago because you know you are wrong


I am not wrong, my comment is factually correct.




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