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Yeah, except without all the bad parts like images that can get corrupted

Sorry, I've been a professional in Smalltalk since 1998, and I've never encountered a corrupted image. The closest thing I've seen to that is de-sync with source code. (Which you don't care much about if you're using SCM, for the same reasons everyone else uses SCM.)

stateful (wtf were they thinking?) web-apps.

Same things others were thinking at the time -- you're just seeing a slice of history. People still rave over the debugging in Seaside like it's magic, though.



>People still rave over the debugging in Seaside like it's magic, though.

Typing `C-c p d b` in my Emacs inserts this macro:

import sys; sys.stdout = sys.__stdout__; import ipdb; ipdb.set_trace()

All the benefits of a Lisp REPL and a Smalltalk debugging environment in a language people actually use. Tab-completion, dumps, breakpoints, testing assumptions/data, running arbitrary code inside a specific environ...the works.

I can use it in my virtualenvs without having to explain to an IDE what a virtualenv, a running test in Nose, a normal script, or a running web server. It's normal code so I can wrap the trace in a condition or whatever else I want.


Apparently, you missed the point -- which was not a nerd missing match. Is this a defensive reaction to my calling you on the "corrupted image" BS?


No, I'm wondering if the promulgators of Smalltalk as a superior debugging environment actually have anything superior to what I just described so that I can steal it for Python.

Sometimes I toss stuff out there in the hopes of being shown something better. It's teaches me new things.

Lets take a moment to think on our poor brethren still tossing print statements all over the place though.


Good. Please steal! I want that for Python. Back in the early 2000's, we Smalltalkers called that "winning despite losing."

Also let me take another moment to call you out on the "corrupted image" BS.


>Good. Please steal! I want that for Python.

Yes but, want what? What does my little ipdb snippet not do that you want?


Just because you "toss stuff out there" in the hopes that someone will "show you" doesn't mean people will.

Oh, and let me take another moment to call you out for your "corrupted image" BS.


You are monomaniacal.


Only to the same extent that you are persistent in evasion. So let me take this moment...




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