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Bear in mind that most researchers are not native English speakers.


I’m confused, do you think we’re not aware of that?


I try to restrict my comments to addressing the content of the parent comment, rather than what my assumptions about people are.


I don't see how it added any extra information to the parent comment


They asked whether this paper was worth reading, because the English wasn't conventional in their dialect.

I'm pointing out that that isn't a good way to screen papers, because most English speakers don't share the same dialect.

Perhaps unstated or understated is the implication that, were you to discard papers in this way, you're liable to miss out.

I'll leave it to you whether that added information. That wasn't really my goal in this case, my goal was to respond to the question in the manner I viewed appropriate. Feel free to downvote my comment if you don't feel it was appropriate or informative or otherwise didn't uphold whatever criteria you're judging it by.


> I'm pointing out that that isn't a good way to screen papers, because most English speakers don't share the same dialect.

You did not make that clear at all.

> Perhaps unstated or understated is the implication that, were you to discard papers in this way, you're liable to miss out.

Indeed, that implication was totally missing.

> Feel free to downvote my comment if you don't feel it was appropriate or informative or otherwise didn't uphold whatever criteria you're judging it by.

I would certainly do so. Like their paper, it is quite poor, and not helpful for this forum. Unfortunately, /u/dang has removed my ability to downvote.


Alrighty. Thanks for the feedback. Have a great day.

(For what it's worth, I often feel my comments are too long and wordy, and occasionally I've gotten feedback to that effect, so I was trying to be brief in my original comment.)


i understood your original comment :)

totally agree that dismissing the content of a paper for its grammatical mistakes alone is foolish.

this isn’t a paper about classic roman literature


This argument is not really valid anymore, especially in a paper that talks about LLMs.


It's an observation, not an argument, but note that this is a paper about LLM mistakes. But if the language bothers you and you view LLMs as the solution, you're certainly free to feed it into an LLM yourself.

To be frank, I find it a little off-putting to suggest being a non-native English speaker is "no longer valid."


I'm not a native english speaker. For serious work, that is, anything that may be printed or published with my real name on it, I use grammar checks. That's the least I can do.


Maybe the previous commenter meant that they could have used an LLM to translate from Mandarin to English to get a better sentence?

Which is... ironic I think :P


Just a grammar check or a proofreading pass through an LLM is all it needs. It's an English-language paper, so we e.g. separate words by spaces.

Hate this modern kneejerk reaction to get preachy and supercilious whenever anything vaguely cultural comes up.


There might be preaching going on here, but it's not coming from me. :)


I'm rubber and you're glue...


I found it somewhat charming that the authors, who express skepticism about the use of LLMs by novices, indeed stuck to their views and decided not to run their phrasings through an LLM. This will probably be one of the dwindling number of papers released each year with "fairly bad" grammar - and part of me wonders if we're losing something in the process of LLM-meditated homogenization.


> not really valid anymore

You have to express reasons when not evident.

In case, just in case (and to also show how lack of definition may trigger any weak interpretation), after suggestion from a nearby member, the idea would had been that today people could have sentences reformulated by language models: the composer intends to express a logic, so any translator would have to grasp said logic primarily and first.




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