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Doesn't this apply to most people as well? Most people are happy to vote for rent control - unless they're a landlord. Most parents will vote for higher property taxes if it means better schools, but most childless homeowners will not. Most urbanites will vote for gun control, most hunters will not. People who walk or take public transportation to work will vote for higher gas taxes, people with 2 hour commutes will not. Heck, isn't one of the claims leveled against liberal white suburbanites that they will happily fight for minority rights in the abstract, but then fight for zoning codes that in practice keep minorities (other than high-earning Asians) out of their neighborhoods anyway?

Social movements that succeed tend to take this into account, and frame things in ways that are not zero-sum. I lose nothing by letting gays marry; my heterosexual marriage is still just as legitimate. I lose nothing by allowing abortions - as a male, I'm not going to get one anyway. I lose nothing when YC seeks out qualified minority & female applicants; I have plenty of advantages of my own, I don't need that extra attention. I lose nothing when Black Lives Matter - my life still matters too, we just need to fix the institutional systems that let a black person get shot dead with no repercussions to the killer. (Personally, I think the left has made some very large tactical errors recently by ignoring this principle - fights over things like affirmative action, political correctness, and white privilege are all because the debate has been framed as "You must lose something in order for life to be fair", which isn't a great way to persuade people.)



When a corp is hiring "all diverse" as google likes to put it, you do lose something. You lose your time and effort in getting a job because corps that are doing quotas will interview you despite to intention to hire. They do it because their interview stats and demographics are scrutinized by the government and they need their interview demographics to look good on paper.

As for BLM anyone can see the riots, looting, arson, and destruction that has affected places like Portland, Seattle, Kenosha. The riots have cost over two billion dollars in damages. Those are not damages to the government. Those are damages to ordinary people and business owners. Housing values go down, police protection is eroded, and some people were beaten or lost their lives.


Yes, anyone can see the violence that happened in Charlottesville and the white supremacist that ran a car into people killing a woman. Anyone can see the 17 year old white supremacist in Kenosha that killed two and injured one. Anyone can see the statistically disproportionate state sponsored violence against minorities that results in their murder on the street during daylight like George Floyd.

Minority votes are being suppressed, they make less money than their white counterparts, they have less access to higher education, less access to nutritious food, and they’re disproportionately dying during a pandemic.

But sure, let’s ignore reality and talk about your narrow view on housing prices and police “protection”.


> white supremacist in Kenosha

[citation needed]



Nothing in that link provides any evidence that KR is a white supremacist.


A 17 year old drives across state lines, goes to a city meets up with a militia that has ties to white supremacy and neo-Nazis, then kills two people and injures a third.

If you don’t see the issues there, you’re part of the problem.


> across state lines

Kenosha is right next to the state border; he lived close to Kenosha on the other side of that border. What does it matter that he crossed state lines?

> kills two people and injures a third

All of whom were violently attacking him (one of them with a gun), as can be seen from numerous videos of the incident.

> ties to white supremacy and neo-Nazis

[citation still needed]

> you’re part of the problem

I'm proud to be part of the problem if the opposite of "problematic" is to accept provocative claims without evidence.


> minorities... make less money than their white counterparts

Are Asians not in the minority anymore?


“If you compare whites and Asian Americans with the same amount of schooling, Asian Americans actually make less money.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/29/the-a...


Well that makes the success of Asian Americans even more remarkable, given that elite schools across the country routinely discriminate against them


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2020, when being against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and state sponsored violence against minorities makes one a “leftists extremists”.




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