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Yes, this is closest to what I was going for. So much of traditional engineering language and ceremony ignores a lot of things that go with getting something done but never get spoken, measured, or rewarded.


Perhaps we should.. break the wheel? :)


I replied to your other reply to me. I don't know where my message actually belongs - here or there. I will leave it at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48907739 because I can't decide >.<


Directionally, yes.

Part of my motivation for writing this was wondering what would be the solution to what I see as a lot of failed engineering careers of folks in 30s and 40s. I know a lot of them, genuinely great engineers - but somewhere down the line, their expectations of their life shifted, but what they did with their time did not - resulting in dissatisfaction.

Hence, a suggestion to focus on the objective value being created vs. individual engineering tasks as a better barometer of progress.


I believe some of the objections (especially mine) are conflating your intent with Agile/Scrum "definition of done." Personally, and honestly as a humble suggestion, I would like to see this discrepancy in perception addressed in the article. Indeed, the problem is mine, but a minor nudge in the right direction would have changed my response immensely.


Love it.

And something I wish the current crop of AI startups learn as well, just making XYZ agentic maybe isn't the answer to everything.

Same folks that said crypto will destroy traditional finance are now saying stuff like, AI will "destroy" all jobs and create a permanent underclass. Almost feels like every few years a new cult gets created with messaging perfectly designed to trigger the Gen-Z(/current college generation) into a frenzy and drinking the kool-aid.

Can't wait for it to be over (and then to do it all over again with something else). Being in my 30s helps. I care less :)


Yeah. In the 90's it was outsourcing is going to move all software jobs to India. Turns out that did happen, but also not. Still, manufacturing jobs have actually left the USA.


I think there is something parasitic in both legacy media and actually even worse in new media - where it finds the most toxic, negative idea that can latch on to the minds of the masses and runs away with it.

Maybe "things going bad suddenly in the near future" is just such a captivating idea to the human mind that those narratives will always find a way to dominate vs "everything will continue to slowly get better".


Maybe things are going bad suddenly in the near future. For instance, the projected weather cycle later this year is four times as powerful as a Super El Niño. The US is one week away from running out of gasoline (was 4 weeks away, 3 weeks ago). Are these not things that should be reported?


I don’t think it’s about what should or shouldn’t be reported. It’s about your relationship to those things. If you wake up on July 21 and there are no headlines saying “The US has run out of gasoline, no driving!”, will you breathe a sigh of relief and be happy things weren’t that bad after all? Or will you browse the headlines for other scary things that might happen in the near future?


>It’s about your relationship to those things.

The year 2000 problem is a good example of this. The year 2000 problem was not a problem. Not because it wasn't a problem, but because a shitload of people did a lot of work to make sure it wasn't a problem. If we didn't have news saying 'oh no, this is a problem' before Jan 1 2000, would it have been taken so seriously?

In February 2021 Texas was so incredibly close to losing the grid that it should strike terror into the hearts of anyone that lives there (see Practical Engineering episode on black starts). Simply put this would have been a massive humanitarian disaster in the 3rd largest state in the US of a size the US has not seen in the modern era. Thousands would have died from the extreme cold that was occuring. Thousands more from a lack of medicine. Fuel would have been trapped in the ground, and ran out quickly anyway. The loss of refining capabilities on the coast would have crippled the entire US. Because of the stupid design of the Texas grid it would have taken weeks or months to get everything back online.

The modern world has become very fragile due to long supply lines of necessary supplies. Covid did a good job of showing some of these weaknesses. I don't think the "did bad thing happen or not" is the way we should be looking at this. It's "How can we reduced the impact of bad things happening". And we're doing a terrible fucking job at it by consolidating companies and industries even further.

Maybe we should actually be worried about a billion+ death event in the near future because of our stupid decisions at a global scale. Maybe we should turn that fear into doing something into preventing it.


Speaking of grids, USA power companies are saying they'll have to start blacking out millions of homes within a year, to have enough power for AI DCs.


Hopefully we're still at the point that millions of pissed off voters are more important than the relatively small number of DCs.


We're still at the point where people who give money to politicians are infinitely more important than people who don't.


If both parties are actively willing to do it anyway, then why do votes even matter?


This is, IMO, quite the insightful thought experiment. I suspect, however, that it is very difficult for most people to face.


"AI will "destroy" all jobs and create a permanent underclass"

Of course, this is silly!

The rich people will do this, using AI at least as an excuse.


Yes, it's a bit tongue in cheek and exaggerated to highlight a common shortcoming in typical engineering parlance.

My aim was to encourage: - More precise language in engineering discussions - Greater accountability - Avoiding procrastination - Keeping your eye on the ball and not just on your PR getting merged


My previous business failed. Everything we built was useless. 2.5 yrs.

My current business is profitable. Almost everything we built was still useless. Since 4 yrs ago.

The amount of effort that went into that "almost" Is something that I don't think AI moved any needle for even though half of our journey was after AI coding took off.

Speed of coding was never the problem, still isn't even if AI allegedly 10x-ed it.


Or maybe just someone who's done with scrum.


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